Sorrow is a reaction. Sorrow is a mental response to something manifesting as a cause which results in an effect from what is accepted to be an observer. Conditioning concerning the manifestation of an “observer” results in a response allegedly from (and supposedly “by”) that observer. Intelligence, however, perceives that the observer is not separate from the observed. Such perception is not merely a standard reaction; it is, rather, holistic action beyond conditioned reaction (if it is indeed genuine, pristine perception, and not just an idea). This pristine perception negates the suffering of sorrow (in that it is clarity beyond robotic reaction). Does the clarity of wisdom habitually carry the burden of sorrow? Not likely. Wisdom is deeply living; sorrow and depression are not deeply living. Reactions are rooted in thought/thinking and can (and do) manifest as sorrow. Habitual thinking has the element of sorrow within it (intrinsically). Profound perception is living and is not exclusively rooted in thought/thinking. Such perception often exists beyond cadaverous, conditioned sorrow.
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very cool – 4 leaf clovers – but Tom, I do respectfully have to disagree -“this pristine perception negates the suffering of sorrow” – Sorrow is part of being human – to deny that it is is to deny it’s opposite – joy – and these are feelings that live in our bodies that are based on what has happened in our lives… or what will be.
Yes, four-leaf clovers are very cool! 😊 Yes, we all go through plenty of sorrow; i never said that we didn’t. Sorrow seems to be the lot of man. But there is an immense kind of joy that has no opposite (as, for instance, sorrow). Immense, profound joy is not merely one side of a coin that has something else on the other side; it is not part of that yin-yang quagmire. There are types of happiness and joy that are not of that immense “different” kind; they may be (and likely are) part of the coin thing.
Is there a profound joy that is beyond cause and effect parameters? I say, “Yes.” And it has nothing to do with becoming or getting.
I never noticed the markings on four-leaf clovers before – you’ve enlightened me about that Tom.
I hope that i’ve helped with much more than that! 😉
Yes you have – I wasn’t sure what else to say.
Yes, no problem. 😉
Your perception could be true of others, but also it could be that sorrow is a word for that gradual onset of [[ Getting so very tired of loss and grief that accumulates, as you lose more and more family and friends and abilities the older you get ]]
Yes, Over Soil, i understand. Well, i am nearly 72 years old and it’s harder for me to do things. From many years of lifting my handicapped students from their wheelchairs and placing them on changing tables (to change their Attends), i have plenty of osteoarthritis. Plus my sweet wife and some other family members are deceased. But i do not carry the burden of grief around habitually. One realizes that grief and sorrow are the result of thought/thinking. Past images of others are images of thought; they are not what the people really were; they are fragmentary, symbolic, virtual projections. Deep intelligence doesn’t habitually succumb to symbolic mental projections involving the old past. And my arthritic pain is what it is. I am proud to have it, as i have helped lots of human beings with handicaps to do what they were unable to do for themselves.
Grief is visceral and cyclic – it comes and goes – like joy or any other emotion – we can choose not to stay in the dark…
It’s largely beyond choice (if it is truly holistic and legitimate), as choice implies a separate “chooser.” Profound light is not easily dominated by the darkness of fragmentation.